Sep 2021

While some portray Low Traffic Neighbourhoods as middle class enclaves of £1.5m houses I think it’s worth noting that within the new LTNs in SN you’ll find Lordship South Estate, Londesborough Estate, Part of Hawksley Court Estate, Lister Court and other, smaller housing blocks

While some portray Low Traffic Neighbourhoods as middle class enclaves of £1.5m houses I think it’s worth noting that within the new LTNs in SN you’ll find Lordship South Estate, Londesborough Estate, Part of Hawksley Court Estate, Lister Court and other, smaller housing blocks

While some portray Low Traffic Neighbourhoods as middle class enclaves of £1.5m houses I think it’s worth noting that within the new LTNs in SN you’ll find Lordship South Estate, Londesborough Estate, Part of Hawksley Court Estate, Lister Court and other, smaller housing blocks

RT @jwwatson: @StokeyUpdates @hackneycouncil Then the SN Ch St closure was implemented, displacing yet more traffic to Crossway. I'm please…

RT @jwwatson: @StokeyUpdates Hi. The AQ on Crossway has now suffered the cumulative effect of three sets of road closures in Stoke Newingto…

The Clissold Park Free Wheelin FEASTival which was scheduled for this weekend has been hit by the current fuel supply issues and will not now be happening. There is another date already booked for the weekend of 15th Oct and they hope to have a second event the following weekend

RT @AbneyParkN16: We teamed up with @hackneycouncil and artist @Piotr_Frac for a stained glass workshop with local schools. After getting…

A reminder that a consultation is NOT a referendum: “While a majority of respondents were not in support of the proposals, the Council has balanced these views with issues with through-traffic and road safety and the potential impact of proposed changes to the SN gyratory.” x.com/LDNBikeKitchen…

RT @LDNBikeKitchen: Last day for the Stoke Newington Walford Road consultation! If you love cycling down CS1 now, please feed back: https:/…

RT @hackneylibs: #HackneyCommunityLibrary is one of the oldest #HomeVisitLibraries in the UK. Bringing books, music, films and audiobooks t…

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RT @hackneycouncil: 🌿 It’s week two of Stoke Newington’s new low traffic neighbourhood. ⬇️ Read our update below to find out the latest…

RT @MisfitsWorld20: Queue for petrol goes around into Manor Road & down into Stoke newington, petrol station isn't actually open due to no…

“The public can make objections in a 6 month statutory period within the time the experimental traffic order is active.” Source: hackney.gov.uk/traffic-orders

Why the SN LTN trial is 6-18 months long: “Experimental Traffic Orders (ETO) can be used in situations that need monitoring and reviewing. They usually last no more than eighteen months before they are abandoned, amended or made permanent and there is no obligation to consult.”

RT @jonathan8873: @mayorofhackney Good Afternoon. Has there been any update on the Stoke Newington gyratory please? Is the work to remove i…

@devske5 @kevinandmclean Hmmm.. the scheme went live last Monday. It’s a 6-18 month experiment.

@RobBerrisford Yes. Businesses close for many reasons.

RT @AbneyParkN16: Our volunteers look after over 150 war graves at Abney. Each one gets maintained once every six weeks! Last week a deleg…

@FurtiveSalmon Whether someone agrees with it or not, I think it’s worth reading about the approach taken and background behind it here s3-eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/commonplace-cu…

@FurtiveSalmon In this particular context though as I understand it, that in an Experimental Traffic Order (ETO) the consultation takes place during the implementation to gather feedback based on the evolving outcomes ‘on the ground’ rather than asking hypothetical questions pre-implementation.

@kayfourbee Seen this? youtu.be/RVg9IedQxGY

@kayfourbee Seems odd to me as the decision to pull down the old building and develop the site was down the landlord as I understood it and Nando’s was simply the tenant (@realnickperry). Did Nando’s actually play any active role in the development?

@jackstevensbass x.com/stokeyupdates/…

@kayfourbee Coming full circle?? These were the scenes in 2007 when the former Vortex Jazz Bar building was demolished to make way for the Nando’s one. pasttenseblog.wordpress.com/2018/01/06/tod…

@realnickperry How come?

@FoxN16 The report refers to the need for pavement widening in the context of people queuing for buses, shops and general footfall along the commercial, busier side of the street so it doesn’t look like the narrow pavement, which can only be widened into the park will be addressed.

@jackpariswaters Have you read the report? It might answer some of your questions. s3-eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/commonplace-cu…

@jackpariswaters You can read more about the rationale and measures here if you are interested s3-eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/commonplace-cu… Bottom line: It’s an experiment carried out using an ETO: Experimental Traffic Order, so it’s about waiting and seeing what actually happens and assessing if to continue.

“An ETO does not remove the need to consult residents, but instead allows for consultation to occur concurrently throughout its operational period. This approach allows highways authorities to trial measures and assess their real-world operational success.”

“TfL has commissioned polling to analyse support of measures such as LTNs in the whole of London. This research was done by Redfield & Wilton (2020). The headline figures states that 52% of Londoners support the introduction, and only 19% oppose them.”

“Goodwin et al (1998) gave an important overview of the traffic evaporation phenomenon in a variety of road space reallocation/reduction interventions. This body of literature was further strengthened by a follow-up research by Goodwin et al (2004)”

“Traffic evaporation as a phenomenon has been widely researched for several decades. It relies on the experience that schemes which restrict or discourage car use over time will produce a modal shift away from car journeys.”

“In particular, air quality on roads such as the A10, Green Lanes, Manor Road/Lordship Park and Crossway/ Matthias Road/Mildmay Road will need to be monitored amongst others.”

“The long-term effects of the Scheme envision a mode shift away from vehicle usage in the local area, working towards the objectives of the AQAP. Moreover, walking, cycling and bus usage will be encouraged by the traffic and public realm improvements.”

“The Scheme aims to discourage car and vehicle usage and promote alternative modes of transport, including public transport, walking and cycling. Any pavement widening proposals would also distance polluting traffic from foot traffic”

“The costs for the Scheme were originally estimated at £684,000, including project management, design and supervision fees. As the proposals have been updated after the ETP was approved, the costs have been updated accordingly as well.”

“In the medium to long term, phenomena like traffic evaporation and modal shifts will help alleviate traffic displacement. The Stoke Newington Church Street proposals are part of a package of measures to discourage car use and encourage walking, cycling and bus use.”

“There is a potential for traffic displacement from the scheme area to roads in the wider area, especially in the short term” “Manor Road and Lordship Park…will require close monitoring to look at traffic level changes, air quality changes and bus service delays.”

“A Delivery and Servicing Study was undertaken as part of the Scheme development, which showcased existing delivery and servicing patterns and needs.” “Casualty data before and after implementation will also be analysed”

“Post-implementation counts will be done to compare the traffic level changes” “Air quality monitoring is carried out at several locations in the area which will provide a good overview of the air quality changes including in Stoke Newington Church St, Manor Rd and Green Lanes”

“As the Scheme is proposed to be introduced as an experiment, the impacts of it will be closely monitored.” “By using an ETO, Hackney may be able to adjust the scheme relatively quickly to resolve issues raised by stakeholders”

“The Scheme will be implemented using Experimental Traffic Orders (ETOs) for the following reasons:
- The ETO approach allows the Council to monitor the changes and collect feedback at the same time.”

“The second phase to implement the pavement widening sections, if approved, can start from November 2021 onwards.”

“The footway widening proposals will therefore be reviewed after implementation and initial assessment of the traffic management changes in the area and may be taken forward as Phase 2, with a separate approval report”

“Air quality - modelled results from the 2016 London Atmospheric Emissions Inventory (LAEI) and ongoing monitoring undertaken on Stoke Newington Church Street show that the NO2 annual mean objective is not met at some locations close to the kerbside”

“One of the main issues is that Stoke Newington Church Street is too congested and carries too much traffic for a town centre. These issues are exacerbated by the narrow carriageway”

“LEN16 is a Low Emission Neighbourhood Project funded by the Mayor’s Air Quality Fund, which focuses on Stoke Newington Church St and the surrounding area and has been in existence since spring 2019. One of its aims of the LEN16 is to reduce polluting traffic on Church Street”

“The Clissold ward is within the 40% most deprived wards in London, and is just outside the top 20% of English wards in terms of deprivation. The Stoke Newington ward is within the 30% most deprived wards in London, and is within the 20% most deprived wards in England.”

“The changes are being implemented during a time of global uncertainty that makes it more difficult to predict impacts” “Traffic modelling of complex schemes such as these are subject to assumptions and we are seeking to test those assumptions in a real world scenario”

“The overall scheme was approved by Cabinet in the September 2020 Cabinet Meeting as part of the Emergency Transport Plan” “The proposal will use Experimental Traffic Orders (ETOs) to implement the changes”

[THREAD] Some highlights from the delegated power’s report; A 100-page official document outlining why and now the recent Stoke Newington LTN was implemented. The document: s3-eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/commonplace-cu…

Pavement widening in Stoke Newington Church Street will begin in November if approved. It may have been approved or rejected already. @metecoban92 any details you can share please? Thank you. Source: s3-eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/commonplace-cu… x.com/StokeyUpdates/…

@MamaMoose_Be Very much so! Thanks.

RT @MamaMoose_Be: If it interests people, this is a delegated power’s report. It is the Stoke Newington Church Street one. Nearly 100 pages…

@amysbro Thanks. Can you share a link to the post or account please?

RT @hackneycitizen: Emergency works needed at historic Stoke Newington Town Hall bit.ly/39GVmkV #Hackney #planning #asbestos http…

Lordship Park: Road safety and tree planting scheme plan 3 trees in small new build outs, which are narrower than a parking bay. t.co/f5njBPaj7P

@MillarCaroline @StokeyLTN Thanks!

@RailtonLTN @metecoban92 @ClissoldLabour It was x.com/StokeyUpdates/…

Planning application for 139-141 Stoke Newington Church St aka Nando’s “Change of use of ground floor from A3 (Restaurant) to 2 x A1 retail units; change of use of first floor from A1 to C3 to provide 2x1 bed flats at rear ground and first floor” planningapps.hackney.gov.uk/planning/index…

RT @hackneycouncil: Join our Parking Policy & Programme Manager and Contracts & Enforcement Service Manager for the online drop-in session…

RT @JarrMarket: Stoke Newington: Bulk plastic-free frozen food is here! We’re very excited that our frozen food arrived yesterday and we’r…

@MisfitsWorld20 Yep, indeed.

@MisfitsWorld20 Tampering and vandalising road signs can confuse and endanger drivers, passengers and pedestrians and is a criminal offence for a reason. This is taking anti-LTN protest too far and committing in illegal act in the process. No laughing matter in my opinion.

@MisfitsWorld20 x.com/stokeyupdates/…

“Park your bike inside” x.com/MBCyclingTM/st…

@TobyCrick @StokeyLTN x.com/metecoban92/st…

@carvalhoCAP @Keepercab @metecoban92 @ClissoldLabour It appears this particular taxi driver isn’t THAT concerned by that prospect which is a worry.

@Keepercab @carvalhoCAP Also, by “officers” Mete meant Council Officers to come and clean it up I’m pretty sure

@Keepercab @metecoban92 @carvalhoCAP @ClissoldLabour Tell that to the person who vandalised the road signs if you see him/her then

@Keepercab @metecoban92 @carvalhoCAP @ClissoldLabour FYI: Vandalising road signs is a criminal offence.

RT @metecoban92: @carvalhoCAP @StokeyUpdates @ClissoldLabour I’ve raised this with officers and we’ll get it sorted asap.

RT @hackneycouncil: 🌿🅿️ We’ve now reinstated parking bays in Lordship, Defoe, Oldfield, Kynaston and Kersley rds following the introduction…

@MillarCaroline @StokeyLTN Can you share here please? Thanks

@DMatiqu @tara_bt @Martin_Jordan @HackneyYIMBY Was that confirmed anywhere please? Thanks.

RT @hackneycouncil: 🚨Consultation on the Local Plan for Dalston, which sets out priorities for the area's future over the next 15 years end…

@CarolineHoare1 I don’t have anything beyond what’s in the spreadsheet. If you are interested in Stoke Newington’s history you are welcome to follow me here @HistoryOfStokey

RT @hackneycouncil: Thanks to all of you who took part in our Parking and Enforcement Plan 2021-26 Q&A. Our Service Improvement Manager Si…

@MillarCaroline @StokeyLTN Are the build outs going to be the width of the parking bay so they don’t become a “pinch point” or is the idea to make drivers slow down by narrowing the road itself slightly?

RT @tara_bt: @Martin_Jordan @StokeyUpdates @HackneyYIMBY I am concerned about the Stokey place - it wasn't open on Friday morning and today…

RT @StokeySchool: A big well done to former SNS student @Lawrence_tko for successfully retaining his WBO title! An inspiration to see your…

RT @CaritasWestm: Your regular reminder that the Stokey #foodbank will be open on Tuesday afternoon - Our Lady's church, Bouverie Road. S…

RT @hackney_cycling: Great to see the new filters on roads in the Church Street / Stoke Newington LTNs have already been accurately mapped…

@AnnieCo54036462 Not quite though. If you actually look at what those 115 businesses you may realise that they don’t offer the type of service or products drivers pop in for, which is what I’m trying to establish and whether that’s a realistic scenario and how likely/frequent. That’s all.

@AnnieCo54036462 You are avoiding a very simple question :) of the 115 businesses on Church St, any idea which one might benefit from a driver popping in? The off licence I provided is one example. Dry cleaners may be another. Can you think of any other? The locksmith maybe?

@AnnieCo54036462 I also pointed out that limiting traffic in Church St to local traffic during the day limits the exposure businesses get to passing traffic so unclear what “narrative” you are referring to. I’m actually almost agreeing with your argument.

RT @MisfitsWorld20: @StokeyUpdates Had bailiff notices up last week

@MisfitsWorld20 Thanks

@AnnieCo54036462 I’m curious and asked a simple question: which CS business do you think or know benefits from drivers popping in. I provided one I know about for a fact. Can you? :)

@AnnieCo54036462 Also, drivers can still park and pop in as they’ve done before if they want to. The difference between 7am-7pm they need to access the street from either the west or east side of the Bus Gate to get to the shop. Impact might be reduced exposure to passing traffic driving through

@AnnieCo54036462 Hi. There are about 115 businesses on Church St (11 estate agents, 8 barbers/hair salons, about 20+ cafes/restaurants). The one scenario I heard so far of drivers popping into a shop is the off licence by the Three Crowns. Any idea or evidence of others out of interest? Thanks

@StokeyLTN @UselessHackney Thanks. Saw it. Will be interesting to see what happens and if there are going to be additional announcements about Lordship Park in relation to the LTN of whether this is the announcement @metecoban92 referred to earlier.

@StokeyLTN @UselessHackney Isn’t it going to exacerbate things in Lordship Park, especially in the morning when there’s more traffic than before as some people report standing traffic reaching QWE? I assume that wasn’t the case before the bus gate but could be wrong. Any idea?

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@StokeyLTN @UselessHackney But surely the work is going to disrupt traffic? If so, timing seems odd. As the built outs will be instead parking bays I assume I imagine it won’t restrict two-way traffic at those points, but feels like it may end up having negative impact on the flow of traffic, wouldn’t it?

RT @StokeyLTN: Traffic calming tree planting coming to Lordship Park as a trial in October. Let’s hope it stops the idiot drivers who forge…

@slatepipe According to the scheme the point is you can access between 7am-7pm the side streets at each side of the Bus Gate. That’s the access. If you need to access a side street on the other side of the gate between 7am-7pm then you have to go around, yes.

@BeaumontThad @metecoban92 It was incomplete as far 5 cars that were parked there when the work was done, and are still parked there, hence there is are car-length gaps that are going to be filled. Would have been better if they were removed on the day so the work could have been completed. Yes. Agree.

@BeaumontThad @metecoban92 Why incomplete? Looks according to the plan as far as I can tell.

@BeaumontThad @metecoban92 The parking bays in Manor Road between Listria Park and Royal Close as outlined in the plan s3-eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/commonplace-cu… (page 15) have been removed and Double Yellow was painted instead. 5 parked cars are scheduled to be removed for the lines to be completed if that’s what you mean

@slatepipe In case you don’t get an answer from the council, between 7am-7pm when the Bus Gate operates you can only access Kersley Rd with a car from the High St. Hope this helps.

RT @carowoodley: Was great fun to call by the Abbey @AbneyParkN16 and see children coming up with fab ideas for the stained glass window! h…

@UselessHackney Thanks. Perhaps the new scheme may finally help address some of those issues given the projected increase in traffic.

@UselessHackney Out of interest, how bad was Manor Road last week, compared to the week before? Most of the issues I saw being tweeted focused on Lordship Park and more specifically the Green Lanes junction.

RT @JambusterLondon: A10 Stoke Newington Road (N16) (Both Directions) at the junction of Walford Road - The road is partially obstructed by…

@kayfourbee @metecoban92 That’s very confusing. The 7am-7pm only applies to the Church Street Bus Gate, not the LTN filters. Why put them there??

@metecoban92 Great. Thank you.

RT @metecoban92: @StokeyUpdates New announcements will be made on Lordship Park next week.

@BeaumontThad @UselessHackney @StokeyLTN No worries. Noted!

@UselessHackney @BeaumontThad @StokeyLTN I was addressing ‘Thad’ but you are also very welcome of course!

@BeaumontThad @UselessHackney @StokeyLTN By the way, a bunch of us from these recent LTN threads, and with different opinions, may meet up in the Red Lion one evening for a neighbourly drink to discuss these issues in person if you’re interested. DM your number.

@BeaumontThad @UselessHackney @StokeyLTN You refer to me by real name (no issue with that whatsoever as it not a secret) so as I thought I’ll do the same so the conversation isn’t too impersonal. If you rather not disclose it in a public forum that’s cool. No worries.

@BeaumontThad @UselessHackney To be honest Thad (is that your real name?) is all our conversations recently I don’t think I ever even picked up if you live locally or possibly even abroad. Do you live in the Manor Road area? There’s been a lot of tweets with many people recently so I may have you mixed up.

@BeaumontThad @UselessHackney What hand is that, sorry, must have it missed that or what you mean. Yes, you are strongly against some of the measures in the latest scheme, and possibly all of it, that’s very clear.

@BeaumontThad @UselessHackney Wrong. You know nothing about how any of this affects me the same way I don’t have a clue how it affects you.

@BeaumontThad @UselessHackney Thank you

@BeaumontThad @UselessHackney Some of us aren’t as entrenched in our opinion and side of the argument yet :)

@BeaumontThad @UselessHackney Thanks. Any particular source you can recommend please otherwise I’ll try my luck with Google later. Be interesting to see if the council has an ethical investment approach to its pension.

@BeaumontThad @UselessHackney Come on, is it ever too late to join this party??

@BeaumontThad @UselessHackney What’s your source for that information please? Is it publicly available? Thanks.

@BeaumontThad @UselessHackney I see. Thanks for clarifying.

@BeaumontThad @UselessHackney So Hackney’s strategy to tackle car usage is in part driven by the impact measures may have on its pension’s investment portfolio?

@BeaumontThad @UselessHackney The scheme only went live last week so the impact on the boundary roads if and when won’t disappear within a matter of days surely. Issues like the Lordship Park/Green Lanes right turn are now under the spotlight, as others, so let’s see what happens in the coming few months.

@BeaumontThad @UselessHackney Many people weren’t happy when they were told they cannot smoke everywhere like they were used to, and driving a car is an activity/necessity that is coming under threat as there’s a deliberate attempt now to deter people from making certain journeys. Protest is inevitable.

@BeaumontThad @UselessHackney The ideology though is that reducing car usage is needed to achieve certain outcomes and Bus Gates (even in a B Road) is one way of driving behaviour change (pun intended) and deter people from using a car for certain journeys. Totally get why some would protest against that.

The rainbow were a bit of a let down if you did expect something similar to this!! :) x.com/StokeyUpdates/…

@BeaumontThad @UselessHackney By the way, my previous comment wasn’t intended as a personal dig (apologies if it came across that way), but with so many people making suggestions and commenting about the scheme (myself included!) can’t help feeling we’ve become a bit of “Armchair traffic management experts”.

@BeaumontThad @UselessHackney Traffic management hobbyist then? :)

@BeaumontThad @UselessHackney Yep. My point was that you’d think/hope these traffic management schemes are designed by people who do it for a living and while the scheme may be politically motivated to an extent, their implementation is executed by traffic management experts who know about B roads and more.

@BeaumontThad @UselessHackney It’s ok to be a traffic management enthusiast the same way it’s ok to be a local historian enthusiast :) the joy of having a hobby and interest, but still a long way from being a qualified and certified professional who actually does it for a living.

@EastEndEnquirer Cheers! :)

@BeaumontThad @UselessHackney LTN discussions show there’s a little traffic management expert in every one of us wanting to burst out! :)

@mctittyface x.com/stokeyupdates/…

RT @PollyCziok: Went to see #thecourier tonight, a brilliant Cold War drama starring Benedict Cumberbatch, and co-starring Stoke Newington…

@Warrenf28230866 @metecoban92 If you are familiar with Stoke Newington you’ll know Labour is quite popular in the area and I doubt many people will change their political allegiance because of a few planters and “no motor vehicles allowed” signs. Neither of us have a crystal ball so let’s see what happens.

@Warrenf28230866 @metecoban92 While certain journeys may be longer than they were before, advocates of LTN argue that in the long-term less car journeys in the area overall will take place as drivers assess if certain journeys are worth the hassle and then it’ll offset the impact of some longer journeys

@Warrenf28230866 @metecoban92 The bus gate “opens” at 7pm and also Manor Road as far as I’m aware is wide open even during rush hour with the only congestion some people have reported is worse than usual is in Lordship Park westbound near Green Lanes so getting to Manor Rd from either direction should be OK

@Warrenf28230866 @metecoban92 Then the taxi drives to Manor Road and then Lordship Rd, Bouverie Rd or Yoakley Rd. Why would that be a problem? It’s Manor Road, not the M25 :)

@HowarthCharles Welcome to the neighbourhood!

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RT @HowarthCharles: @jdpoc We’re moving there (Stoke Newington) for 3 reasons: Great pubs, restaurants, bars, cafes and shops; We tend to…

@HackneySingers The link isn’t working

@boblozkee As far as I’m aware it’s the Bus Gate more than the LTNs that sat nav apps, mainly Google Maps, may not always show (been last than a week since it was introduced mind you) if too many cars drive through it when it’s in operation. The “static” closures seem to be OK.

@boblozkee Lost? I’d imagine they use a sat nav of some sort and assuming those are updated with the road closures, navigating to the access point shouldn’t be THAT difficult, right?

@UselessHackney By the way, just saw there are 5 cars that were still parked when the double yellow lines in Manor Rd were painted so they had to paint around them. Some may not have moved since, in any case they created a gap in the markings, which some may consider now a valid parking space.

@UselessHackney Would you suggest additional double yellow somewhere else, and if so, would that be instead or in addition to the new ones?

@UselessHackney Some people suggested that vehicles waiting to make a right turn from Lordship Park onto Green Lanes exacerbate the rush hour congestion as those behind them cannot go straight to Brownswood Rd. If that is the case I wonder if anything can done to allow more traffic to flow.

@UselessHackney According to the plan it’s only the stretch between Listria Park and Royal Close, with mainly parking bays on the south side.

@UselessHackney Page 15 s3-eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/commonplace-cu…

Only the removal of the parking bays in Manor Road is included in the detailed plan (in page 15) titled “Detailed road designs from Stoke Newington LTN delegated powers decision report appendices” There’s no mention of the ones in the Exit Routes: s3-eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/commonplace-cu…

@UselessHackney Page 15 here s3-eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/commonplace-cu…

@A_d_e_s_a_n_u There are thousands of residents in those estates with diverse views, preferences and circumstances. What makes you speak so confidently on behalf of all of them on this topic please? Thanks.

@PhilKennedy Regardless, I think the removal should have been communicated properly and in advance. The parking suspension notices that appeared the week before only stated the suspension was from the 19th-24th of September, which was misleading surely.

The disappointing thing is that as far as I remember, the only parking bay removal that was mentioned in the run up to the installation of the scheme, were the ones in Manor Road at the so-called “pinch points”. Removal of parking bays in the Exit Routes wasn’t mentioned. Was it? x.com/hackneygazette…

@nookshop_uk Yes. I think it may struggle coming down Edward’s Lane or Woodlea Rd to avoid the Bus Gate.

RT @nookshop_uk: @StokeyUpdates By having deliveries only coming from one direction it seems that deliveries are more aware of where other…

RT @nookshop_uk: @StokeyUpdates St Mary’s opposite us had the quietest end of school day I can remember. Despite the school rds ban it’s no…

@nookshop_uk Thank you. Did you have an issue so far getting deliveries coming west of gate from Albion Road or Green Lanes if they didn’t already before the Bus Gate was installed?

RT @nookshop_uk: @StokeyUpdates Negative might be the effects we have on it getting stuff delivered which we and every shop needs. It’s sil…

RT @nookshop_uk: @StokeyUpdates We love it, and our customers seem to be very much in favour. Thinking of running a mini questionnaire In s…

@nookshop_uk Thanks. How do you see the potential impact on your shop overall? Positive and negative.

RT @nookshop_uk: @StokeyUpdates Just cycled down church st and busy both ways. Like a tap had turned on. It’s been a dream since it’s been…

@nookshop_uk Has all cleared now? You could end up with some drivers speeding to get through the gate before 7am.

@nookshop_uk Gate o’clock

@mariamartak @BorisMellor Someone commented a few weeks ago that the vast majority of people who took part in the Ealing consultation that resulted in the removal of the LTNs there weren’t residents. A lot of people drive through even if they don’t live locally so are impacted and can be vocal naturally.

@mariamartak @BorisMellor I think that 10 unhappy people make more noise than 100 happy ones, especially online so it’ll be interesting to see how this goes alongside this one with 2,716 at the moment who are against the scheme change.org/p/mete-coban-h… Let the petition-off begin!!

@metecoban92 @emmalunn One issue that may arise is some taxi drivers may refuse to enter an LTN and then drop people off on the main road which at night especially can be an issue. Also heard from a couple of people which struggled to get an Uber from an LTN and suspected that drivers were staying away

RT @BorisMellor: Stoke Newington Residents: Let's Allow Hackney Council's Trial Closure of Church Street to run its course - Sign the Petit…

@kayfourbee Bus Gate Watching is helping certain local businesses thrive ;)

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@ToxicLemon69 If that’s your attitude and the tone you choose to take then good luck in the future engaging with other people online, probably those who agree with you I imagine :) Good day and I hope you get a chance to enjoy the sun.

@ToxicLemon69 @elondems See my reply to your other tweet. Looking forward to getting some recommendations if you don’t mind sharing. Thanks.

@ToxicLemon69 @BaldEnough @elondems Mostly this theguardian.com/world/ng-inter…. Have you read it? Quite interesting. Keen to learn so do share the highlights please if that’s not too much trouble, or if you can direct me to specific material that’ll also be great. If not, I’ll try my luck with Google later. Thank you.

@ToxicLemon69 @elondems If you distrust the council and its officials, that’s your choice. In any case, it’s only Day 5 of the trial, it’s a gorgeous sunny day, how can you not be just a little optimistic?? :)

@ToxicLemon69 Good on them. Isn’t democracy great?

@ToxicLemon69 @BaldEnough @elondems If you are correct and the impact is going to be as bad as you predict then hopefully something will be done about it. One can only hope!

@BaldEnough @ToxicLemon69 @elondems Is your assertion that all LTNs everywhere in any context and place end up increasing pollution in the boundary roads, or only in some cases? Either way, what is that based on please as research in this field seems rather limited and is often disputed by some. Thank you.

@ToxicLemon69 @elondems You may be 100% right and I hope that if after a few months of actual monitoring and data analysis, plus feedback from residents and other data gathering methods, if the situation is as bleak as you fear, the right measures will be taken, including reversing the scheme.

@ToxicLemon69 Whatever those costs may be, if there are indeed any, that decision was taken by duly elected local government officials in Mare St. That’s democracy for you. If you are against the policies these officials are promoting make that known in the next local elections.

@minshackney1 Finally, I do feel that this scheme has been a shock to system and BIG event that is affecting and concerning many people for different reasons, which is why I’m giving it considerable “air time”. I hope we can continue to have a good neighbourly discussion about this. Thanks.

@RoyWats09829184 @HighburyPenguin By “people” by the way I didn’t mean you specifically. My point is that apart form an online petition with less than 3000 signatures I haven’t seen the objectors doing much apart from engaging with people online. I personally find these conversations interesting and enlightening

@RoyWats09829184 @HighburyPenguin Great. Perhaps campaign to have a similar referendum like the one that was done in Ealing and the scheme may be reversed in the future. People that oppose the scheme should really consider that and go beyond just tweets :)

@minshackney1 Why not? LTNs do get removed in some cases (eg Ealing). If you distrust the council and don’t believe it, that’s your choice. I have a LOT of criticism about how the council communicates with residents, especially online and think there’s as you point out a lot to improve.

@ToxicLemon69 @elondems Do you know with absolute certainty that pollution level will rise long-term in the boundary roads? Can I borrow your crystal ball? :) it may stay the same, it may increase or it may decrease. Who can say after 5 days? Let’s see where we’re at in a few months. Could be terrible.

@minshackney1 I’m actually not an advocate of LTNs believe it or not :) I’m curious about them, try and keep an open mind and learn about the pros and cons as it has it’s fair share of issues and challenges that need addressing. I’m willing to wait and see what actually happens. Are you? :)

@elondems Where’s the attack exactly? The estate is still accessible from at least one point and all residents hopefully benefit and appreciate living in a quieter area, having cleaner air, less cars around etc. It’s not all doom and gloom, surely.

@elondems Why blocking access? The estate should still be accessible though from less points potentially but portraying it as somehow completely disconnected seems odd. Can you elaborate please? Thanks.

@HighburyPenguin @stokeywheels @StokeyMarkB I was told by a couple of people that Uber orders aren’t picked up, and they suspect (rightly I suppose) that the LTN has something to do with it. I’d think there should be drivers close to the access point anyway, but could be wrong.

@minshackney1 The bottom line is LTNs in Stoke Newington aren’t the middle class neighbourhoods/gated communities some insist on portraying them as, just as the boundary roads aren’t all social housing. It’s all mixed and part of what makes London what it is.

@minshackney1 Some might, yes, but would still be a far cry in most I imagine than the £1.5m 4 bed Victorian houses, some seem to think are all you see in the LTNs in SN and that was my point. Even some of the privately owned ex-council flats may still be low-income residents, would they not?

@HighburyPenguin @RoyWats09829184 I don’t think anything can be guaranteed. Conditions are being monitored in the coming months and if the boundary roads do become the never ending nightmare some predict then I hope the council will take notice and reassess how to continue with the scheme, or not continue at all.

@HighburyPenguin @TobyCrick I agree, However traffic levels along the Exit Routes is expected to reduce over time as more drivers avoid Church St during the day (yes, that doesn’t include deliveries). Let’s wait and see. Large part of the Estate is facing the Lordship Road LTN let’s not forget. Only Day 5.

@HighburyPenguin @RoyWats09829184 I would certainly hope so! No point in doing this if conditions along the “boundary roads” long-term are worse. At the VERY least if they aren’t going to improve they shouldn’t get worse. The future of the scheme and success/failure needs to take the bigger picture into account

@HighburyPenguin @RoyWats09829184 Have you answered the survey yet? :) x.com/StokeyUpdates/…

@HighburyPenguin @RoyWats09829184 The LTN was introduced 5 days ago. Let’s assess where we are in 6 months and see how are things then. Some people argue things will get worse, other claim things will improve over time. In either case, 5 days is way too early to reach any conclusion either way. Shall we wait?

@minshackney1 Hi. What’s your point exactly please and how is it relevant to this topic? Thanks.

@DWAFit Thanks. According to the council an increase is expected due to some of the displaced traffic and the expectation is things will settle and improve over time. The scheme went live only on Monday. Let’s see. You can read about the monitoring efforts here: news.hackney.gov.uk/a-cleaner-gree…

RT @MisfitsWorld20: @hollaa01 @StokeyUpdates Apparently it's a advert for a bank not the new James bond film

@hollaa01 @MisfitsWorld20 I thought it was ‘The Great Escape from the Bus Gate’ ;) It’s the scene where they plan their exit route!!

@DWAFit Are you referring to any street in particular please where you have seen significant increase in traffic compared to last week for example? Thanks.

@mariamartak Through my local history hobby (@HistoryOfStokey) I explored EVERY street in what was the former Borough of Stoke Newington as well as the surrounding area. It’s far more diverse than what some people complaining about “SN LTN Cycling Yuppies” realise. Do they actually know SN?

@mariamartak Thanks! :)

@mariamartak There’s a lot of bias, on both sides, like with any argument, and people can get entrenched very easily. Human nature. It’s an easy target if you distrust local government, only see the negatives of gentrification, believe only “rich people” live in quiet residential streets etc.

@mariamartak Sorry! Missed the sarcasm. I hear them too, and there are very valid concerns and challenges to resolve, which is why I try and get to the bottom of some of the arguments against LTNs. It’s not a silver bullet or a magical switch that’ll fix everything, definitely not in weeks.

@mariamartak What does that actually mean? Anyone in particular? Any specific facts you are disputing?

@pauldmorgan The challenge at the moment is with cars that continue to Manor Road and then Lordship Park to get to Green Lane whereas a week ago some would drive through Church St to get to Green Lanes. Some people reported increase, and the council expect it to reduce in the coming months.

These signs are there to direct drivers who exit the Bus Gate via Marton Rd, down Ayrsome Rd and Oldfield Rd so they can back to Marton Rd and turn right at Church St to get to the High St. The intention for drivers to avoid getting to Kynaston Rd and return to Church St instead. x.com/StokeyUpdates/…

£130 penalty, £65 if you pay within the first two weeks x.com/StokeyUpdates/…

@graemebulcraig @ChedzAMess The council aware and is considering this issue as part of the lessons being learnt during the current trial period I believe @metecoban92

@ChedzAMess Plenty available on the council’s website like this …uildingagreenerhackney.commonplace.is/proposals/stok… Have a read. You can submit your feedback in the link as well if you want your view to captured and taken into consideration. Go for it!

@_belliottsmith @ChedzAMess Read about council’s monitoring approach as well as a study of the scheme, which carried out by Westminster University here news.hackney.gov.uk/a-cleaner-gree… “Westminster University is also conducting an independent study into the impacts of the scheme using four traffic counters.”

@ChedzAMess 1) That’s not true. Manor Road and Lordship Park have now become effectively “Boundary Roads” so traffic increase was expected though the view is this will reduce over time. Let’s see. 2) The scheme was introduced ONLY on Monday. Let’s judge in a few months and see.

@realnickperry :)

@AAttfield @ClissoldLabour By the same token, the so-called “Boundary Roads” which are bearing the brunt of the displaced traffic at the moment, such as Manor Road and Lordship Park, aren’t just “working class” as some argue. They include large, expensive houses as well as Hillcourt Estate. That’s London!

@ClissoldLabour Thanks. It’s a good sign there are too many to fit in one tweet!

RT @ClissoldLabour: @StokeyUpdates And Nevill road with The Yorkshire grove estate and part of Burma court estate on Albion road

@RoyWats09829184 Anyone who claims that clearly isn’t actually familiar with the street and Kennaway Hall Estate which occupies a considerable part of the western part of Stoke Newington Church St facing Clissold Park.

@kayfourbee Yes. I was referring to the inclusion of streets such as Lordship Road, Sandbrook Road and Yoakley Road in the new LTNs specifically.

Is short-term disruption worth long-term improvement?

@RobWard_Animate Me too. Though I’m very curious if there’s an older one behind it!

@DavidBl89011041 G K Locksmiths in Stoke Newington Church Street perhaps?

@booniepops By @brickflats

RT @hackneycouncil: 🌿 We’ve been speaking to lots of you this week about the new Stoke Newington LTN. Read our update below for answers t…

@GeorgeGoodchil5 @metecoban92 I agree. It would just be a label on the existing white sign the same size as “access only” at the same height and below the “no motor vehicles” that refers to the bus gate. If that’s not part of the specs for that type of sign, that’s fine. I pointed it out in case it is.

@metecoban92 Thank you. I saw the yellow one and was wondering whether the hours can/should also be reinforced in the white sign if that such level of detail is allowed in those type of signs.

@UselessHackney @LondonEconomist @RosedaleAction @StokeyLTN @FoxN16 @metecoban92 It’s still a derelict sad-looking site. At this rate the school will be built when we all have flying cars anyway.

@metecoban92 Hmmmm.. where’s next to it please? There’s no 7am-7pm on the sign itself. It just states that “no m no motor vehicle allowed” to the right. Don’t such signs also meant to include the hours? Or they more generic to include that level of detail? Thanks.

@BuckleyTech @RgntsPkSpeeders My hypothesis is that 95% of the drivers never heard of a Bus Gate and many haven’t seen the “no motor vehicle allowed” sign since taking the theory test. This is compounded by the fact you see other cars 10 metres away on the other side of the gate. No excuse but confusing still

RT @StokeyMarkB: @StokeyUpdates Google maps has made mess of navigation into our LTN. it suggests going into a dead-end, and climbing over…

RT @FinsburyParkPH: We are bringing the big screen to Finsbury Park right now! Did you know the latest movies are right on your doorstep? B…

RT @graemebulcraig: @StokeyUpdates Lovely bit of Cycle Super Highway included in the only route! 😩 crossway chaos this week

@cmtlr @FurtiveSalmon @netwench @StokeyLTN @welovestokey Thank you

@cmtlr @FurtiveSalmon @netwench @StokeyLTN @welovestokey I’ll read the material later when I get a chance, but any idea what was the impact of the displaced traffic and was it/is it expected to be similar to that which is being displaced from CS? Thanks.

@cmtlr @FurtiveSalmon @netwench @StokeyLTN @welovestokey Thanks. Do you see any stark difference at all between the two? I’ll have a closer look, but is the implementation there also a 10 metre bus gate in the middle or is it at each end, or some other configuration?

@cmtlr @FurtiveSalmon @netwench @StokeyLTN @welovestokey Were they as busy as CS 10,000 cars a day according to the council? Or is it different scale and context compared to CS?

RT @netwench: @cmtlr @StokeyUpdates @FurtiveSalmon @StokeyLTN @welovestokey There is this analysis of the Hackney Council data on the Low T…

@cmtlr @FurtiveSalmon @netwench @StokeyLTN @welovestokey Thanks, I’ll have a look as I’m curious to look for similar scenarios as it feels like there may something a bit unique perhaps about CS. I’m not overwhelmingly for or against the scheme, but am keeping an open mind, keen to see what happens in the months to come and the impact.

@cmtlr @FurtiveSalmon @netwench @StokeyLTN @welovestokey My point is that I don’t think CS and Broadway are as comparable as you suggest personally. You never had 10,000 cars daily in Broadway Market, did you? :)

@cmtlr @FurtiveSalmon @netwench @StokeyLTN @welovestokey It’s not a B Road, is it? That makes a big difference some will argue as far as the wider context how the road is used and the role it has played for many many years.

@yeah_its_mint I agree. Their expectation as I understand it is that over time traffic levels along the “boundary roads” will reduce and won’t have the detrimental impact you describe. Guess we have to wait and see?

@yeah_its_mint This was merely to test if the Bus Gate is taken into account by Google Maps. The vision is that longer journeys that in past would cut through Church St would use alternative roads instead.

@yeah_its_mint The message is that such short journey shouldn’t be completed in a car in the first place!! :)

@netwench @StokeyLTN @welovestokey Any idea if any negative impact on boundary roads was reduced over time? I feel that’s the main concern many people have. That the displaced traffic won’t evaporate as some expect and as a result traffic and pollution levels will rise in those roads, even if all is quiet in CS.

@netwench Any idea if any negative impact on boundary roads was reduced over time? I feel that’s the main concern many people have. That the displaced traffic won’t evaporate as some expect and as a result traffic and pollution levels will rise in those roads, even if all is quiet in CS.

RT @netwench: So, the message is that it takes a little time for drivers to get use to the bus gate and for behaviour to change, but it wil…

RT @netwench: At the top of Broadway Market now the bus gate, when in operation, makes the area quieter, enables lots of walking & cycling…

RT @netwench: Initially, there was a lot of confusion. The first few weeks were madness - some drivers u-turned, some ignored it or failed…

@Limmmao It should. Yes.

RT @netwench: A message for Stokey about the Church Street bus gate: in London Fields we have one bus gate 24x7 on Cat & Mutton bridge & a…

@cmtlr @StokeyLTN @FoxN16 @metecoban92 Do you? :) when do expect traffic levels in Manor Rd and Lordship Park to drop during rush hour eventually? 2023? 2025? 2030? Genuine question.

@BenedettaMusil3 @FoxN16 I agree up to the point about “few” at the end. It don’t know what the split between people who are the moment could be seen as either benefiting or suffering from the scheme, but personally I don’t think the ones benefiting are “few”. Quite a lot in many streets I’d imagine.

@BuckleyTech @RgntsPkSpeeders I know it doesn’t but my point is that when it’s this such a short distance and you can see the car traffic on the other side 10 metres away in front of you I can see why some drivers will be baffled. It’s not a traffic pattern I at least ever seen before ie 10 metre bus gate.

@FoxN16 I’m told some drivers are cutting through Allerton Road

@StokeyLTN @FoxN16 @metecoban92 But isn’t this primarily rush hour traffic of people going to work and not about short journeys of someone driving a short journey to a shop for example?

@FoxN16 Thank you

@FoxN16 Any particular “pinch points” that perhaps could be addressed?

RT @FoxN16: @StokeyUpdates your daily Lordship Park update: worse today, queues in both directions. westbound starts at Lordship Road https…

@dogwonder The message “No through traffic 7am-7pm except buses and HAC01 permit holders” is very simple. Getting people to realise that can happen in roads like Church St and not just quiet side streets will likely take a while and we may see more and more Bus Gates used this way.

@dogwonder Yes. It’s a tricky situation. The application of the Bus Gate in CS is using it merely as a filter across a very short section of the road. If this is the first time a Bus Gate has been used this way some might argue it’s ingenious, other might argue something different.

@PhilKennedy Indeed!

@jp_asher @hackneygazette I find it confusing and misleading. Saying the road is open to X,Y,Z suggests it’s closed to everyone else and that’s the message that a LOT of people have been repeating either innocently or deliberately to flame protest against the scheme. You should have done better.

@dogwonder By the way, my point is you wouldn’t expect or see congestion charge road for 10 metres in the middle of a road :) it’s not the concept that may be the issue but the ‘creative’ application of it in a particular scenario.

@dogwonder Totally agree. I’m trying to establish and understand just how novel the application of the CS Bus Gate is to explain why some drivers seem completely perplexed even when they know what the signs mean. We’re telling them the road turns to a mini Bus Lane in the middle. Radical!

@PhilKennedy My point is that if all 50 signs on either side of the gate communicate a message that people rarely or never seen in a context of a street like Church Street than I hypothesise you can have 70 signs and it still wouldn’t make a difference to those confused by it.

@PhilKennedy Sure. What do you suggest? Also, out of curiosity, any idea if this kind of implementation of a very short Bus Gate in the middle of a road is used anywhere else? I don’t think the concept is the problem, perhaps the particular context and how it’s implemented in CS specifically

If you told someone there’s a daily 12hr dead-end in Church St at the Red Lion from both directions (except buses etc.) they may understand better what you are on about and what it means. But saying: “No cars beyond this point for 10 metres either side” is..hmm..rather confusing. x.com/StokeyUpdates/…

@RgntsPkSpeeders Thanks. Do you know how long that Bus Gate is? In Church St it’s a very short stretch in the middle of the street. The “only buses can go here” applies to less than 10 metres so I’m curious is that some “novel” implementation of the Bus Gate concept that isn’t seen anywhere else.

@yeah_its_mint That’s harsh. What’s your take on it?

People are familiar with the concept of a Bus Lane, but the Bus Gate in Church Street is effectively a very short ‘Bus Lane’ that takes over the road to split the street into two in order to restrict through traffic. Has that been done anywhere else before like this? x.com/StokeyUpdates/…

@yeah_its_mint I think actually you might be on to something x.com/StokeyUpdates/…

“A 'Bus Gate' is a short section of road blocked off to all traffic except buses, cycles and taxis as shown by appropriate signage.” I find this interesting as the application of a Bus Gate in Church St is somewhat different as the section that’s blocked is only 10 metre long!

@yeah_its_mint I’m not entirely convinced. In theory, drivers should become aware of the gate and plan their exit well in advance given the many signs that have been put up. In practice, and likely to down to nav apps to an extent, that doesn’t to happen yet based on my observations thus far.

@ninalovelace @TobyCrick Given the number of parking bays that were removed I envisaged a stream of nonstop traffic down the Exit Routes and that doesn’t seem to be the case, with the exception of Lordship Terrace as drivers turn left just before the gate as a last option.

@ninalovelace @TobyCrick I think the main concern with Defoe Rd post the Bus Gate is more 2-way traffic as cars either go southbound towards Kersley Rd or northbound from Kynaston Rd to avoid the Bus Gate. It’s quite narrow hence the need for the double yellow.

@TobyCrick @ninalovelace Hopefully in the future nav apps won’t even direct drivers into Church St so they won’t even need to use the Exit Routes and locals will become familiar with the restrictions and avoid CS 7am-7pm to cut through from either direction.

@hutchosuperkin1 @thenewlove You are getting used to it in quiet residential streets, but CS is a rare hybrid of a village-like High St that’s commercial but also fairly narrow and residential at the same time. That’s its charm, which is why a “no cars” sign bang in the middle is very unexpected in my view

@jackstevensbass @TheWomensRoom The council indicated that the parking bays, all or some, may return in the future depending on traffic levels along the streets. Oldfield Rd for example north of Kynaston Rd is dead quiet during the day when I’m there with significant parking bays removed and it’s quite wide too

@hutchosuperkin1 @thenewlove It’s baffling that with so many signs ahead of the Bus Gate a lot of the drivers I observed that get to the gate seem very surprised and confused as if it came out of nowhere, which in a way I guess it did for them. It’s not something you expect to encounter on a road like CS.

The more I explain what the Church St Bus Gate is I understand how much of a foreign concept it is to quite a few people. They know what a bus lane is or a road closed to cars, but the idea that only buses can drive through a specific point in the road seems totally alien to them

@jonnyross05 My pleasure

@TheWomensRoom Have you noticed more traffic since Monday? I’m nearby and have been surprised how quiet it has been. Probably because a lot of drivers at the moment drive through the Bus Gate when they shouldn’t or u-turn in Painsthorpe Rd to return to Church St and turn right.

RT @ninalovelace: @StokeyUpdates Some of this is referenced in the parking consultation - links to which are plastered everywhere in the es…

RT @TheWomensRoom: @StokeyUpdates No notice for residents on Kynaston road, we will now have three parking bays for 10 houses on our stret…

@jonnyross05 Incorrect. All traffic is allowed during the day on both sides of the bus gate. Vehicles can drive from the High St to the Bus Gate in the middle of the street where Lordship Rd is, or from Green Lanes and Albion Rd. You just can’t drive across the length of the street 7am-7pm.

@hutchosuperkin1 @thenewlove @hackneycouncil @metecoban92 :) thanks!

@gjyevans From my observations so far the Lordship Rd filter is the one that’s ignored the most.

@metecoban92 @hutchosuperkin1 @thenewlove @hackneycouncil Thank you

@hutchosuperkin1 @thenewlove @hackneycouncil @metecoban92 Maybe one for @metecoban92

@hutchosuperkin1 @thenewlove @hackneycouncil @metecoban92 I know! Makes it look like it’s still being worked on and not in operation. No clue. There were quite a few around the newly installed bollards before.

@gjyevans I don’t know. I interpret it as saying there’s a camera further up where the dead-end is meaning the filter as you can drive just fine till the filter if you need access to an address that’s between the dead-end signs and the filter by Lordship Terrace.

@bikefixlondon A question for @ClissoldLabour and @metecoban92

@gjyevans I don’t think so but you can check here s3-eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/commonplace-cu… I think they really help to deter drivers from continuing and encountering the filter.

The double yellow lines instead of parking bays along the so-called “Exit Routes” came out of nowhere as far as I’m aware. Does anyone know if there was prior notice whatsoever? Generic parking suspension notices last week didn’t mention the parking bays will be removed. x.com/hackneygazette…

“The wait is nearly over for film fans, with Picturehouse set to open its new seven screen cinema in Finsbury Park tomorrow” x.com/hackneygazette…

@LDLDN I think you are taking that tweet a bit too seriously. It’s practically called the Red Lion Bus Gate. I’ve been critical of aspects of the implementation and I sympathise with the staffer. I’ve witnessed confusion all around and a LOT of misinformation and misunderstanding.

@londiner I broadly agree and have highlighted in recent days some of the issues I think will need to be addressed to improve the scheme and it’s chances of being more effective. This includes the ambiguous road markings.

@LDLDN I don’t actually.

Red Lion bar staffer to punters: “oh yeah, they closed Church St to cars so it’s only for buses and cyclists now” Me: “Actually they didn’t. It’s just a bus gate to restrict through traffic” Bar staffer: “Oh. Really?? Where’s the bus gate??” Me: 🤦

BUS GATE TV LIVE! (Day 3) x.com/i/broadcasts/1…

@notagain88 @ClissoldLabour @avellana_avers @HackneyEars @StokeyLTN There are approx. 120 businesses on and off Church Street. How many of those out of interest are you referring to? I heard about concerns some have raised in addition to those you mentioned, but it’s a fairly big and highly diverse group of business owners.

@ninalovelace I think the issue is that if you follow a nav app and find yourself in front of the gate there’s not much you can do with the app at that moment, you may not know the side streets, traffic is building up behind you, all quite stressful.

@ninalovelace I suspect some drivers feel “stuck” if they don’t know where else they can do and resort to u-turning. I also saw a few u-turning in Painsthorpe Rd to return to Church St when they could have gone down Oldfield Rd>Kynaston Rd>Kersley Rd and back to Church St

@ClissoldLabour @notagain88 @avellana_avers @HackneyEars @StokeyLTN Is there any response specifically about the loss of the parking bays in Defoe Road at this stage as it’s likely very pressing issue for them? Defoe Tyers resorted to parking on the new Double Yellow where the parking bays were till Sunday.

@notagain88 @avellana_avers @HackneyEars @StokeyLTN Anything you can share? I believe the relevant councillors like @ClissoldLabour are in contact with local businesses and will be throughout the trial period to assess impact etc. I’ll happily share input from local businesses people can share directly or indirectly. Thanks.

@jp_asher @hackneygazette Exactly. Which is why stating in the article “The road will be open to…” implies it is closed to everyone else. Not true. It makes no mention in that line that it’s just through traffic and that all other traffic can access the street as usual from each side of the Bus Gate.

@willnorman Not quite. The 7am-7pm Bus Gate in the middle of the street restricts through traffic to Buses, cyclists and permit holders. The street is accessible to all other vehicles from east and west up to the Bus Gate 7am-7pm as usual.

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@realnickperry Good point!

@jp_asher @hackneygazette There’s a mistake in the article. Should be “The road will be open 7am-7pm to THROUGH TRAFFIC to buses, Blue Badge…”. It’s a huge difference as you are misleading people who end up thinking the road is closed for them during the day, when that’s not the case.

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@NightingaleE5 I genuinely believe that a lot of drivers that are told by their nav app to go down Church St through the Bus Gate follow those directions blindly despite all the signs because they trust the nav app and think it knows it’s permitted to drive where it’s taking them.

@NightingaleE5 It has done all it can to notify Google Maps and other nav app providers so not sure what else can be done. Google Maps is impacted by the actual driver behaviour on the road, so a chicken and an egg situation to an extent.

The LTN filters have totally suburbanised the side streets. It may be because quite a few ignore the Bus Gate at the moment that the ‘Exit Route’ from Marton Rd>Painsthorpe Rd or Ayrsome Rd to Kynaston Rd is very quiet. Was expecting more traffic there. May still happen though.

@George82179710 Thanks. So far I observed that quite a few vehicles ignore the filter at Lordship Rd/Lordship Terrace. I think it may have something to do that work is ongoing on the bollards so some might think wrongly that it’s not operating yet.

RT @hackneycouncil: 🚶🏿‍♀️🚴🏽‍♂️ We’re in Stoke Newington for #CarFreeDay today ☀️ Enjoying its new low traffic neighbourhood, which is help…