Oct 2021

THE RESULTS ARE IN! It’s only my little 24hr Twitter poll with 294 replies, but when asked “How do you feel about the LTN after two weeks?” The results are:
67% - Love it 21% - Hate it 12% - Don’t care *Reminder: Twitter poll isn’t a legal referendum x.com/StokeyUpdates/…

THE RESULTS ARE IN! It’s only my little 24hr Twitter poll with 294 replies, but when asked “How do you feel about the LTN after two weeks?” The results are:
67% - Love it 21% - Hate it 12% - Don’t care *Reminder: Twitter poll isn’t a legal referendum x.com/StokeyUpdates/…

RT @Duncan_Exley: A novelty item for dogs to maul. Sends a horrible message, especially in context of abuse & violence suffered by politici…

@HackneyLivingSt Out of interest, if most households in Hackney don’t own a car then who is parking in all the streets? (Genuine question)

RT @HackneyLivingSt: Time to make parking fairer! Most households in Hackney don't own a car, but almost all of our roadside space is used…

RT @StokeyLTN: “But changes in travel behaviour don’t happen overnight. We are noticing that the longer a scheme is in place, the greater i…

RT @StokeyLTN: “LTNs work because the people living in them, change their travel behaviour – taking fewer short local journeys by car and w…

RT @StokeyLTN: New Govt data:“it shows that a common claim about the LTNs – that they simply displace traffic to other roads – is in most c…

RT @AbneyParkN16: Join us on Sunday 14th November at 10.30am at the War Memorial in Abney Park Cemetery Local artists will perform music a…

RT @NickyRR: Gorgeous amble through Abney Park cemetery and now I'm having a roast cooked for me. Pretty sure I'm in some sort of coma and…

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@GlynnAlison Well, if it’s a parking bay that’s a flaw in the placement of the cargo bike hanger I’d say, if indeed that’s the only way to get them out.

@netwench Interesting. Thanks!

RT @netwench: @StokeyUpdates The hire company usually applies an out-of-bay fee that users have to pay if they don't put the bike in the ri…

@netwench Thanks. Is anything going to deter users from using these rather than dumpling the bicycle randomly somewhere and often in the middle of the pavement?

RT @hackneycouncil: 🌿 The Abney Park restoration project, a £5m investment to restore its chapel and provide new facilities for generations…

@FurtiveSalmon A bit dramatic

RT @StokeySchool: Well done, Paige! The first of many! Everyone at Stokey is delighted for you. 🌟

RT @clissoldpeople: Ooh look at these lovely teatowels by @AnnaHymas and @tomartacus on sale at @knowlovelondon on Church Street. For ever…

@stokeywheels @JamesDAustin @kayfourbee Easiest I find it to try a journey such as 199 Church St to 11 Church St for example to see if the Bus Gate is acknowledged

@stokeywheels @JamesDAustin @kayfourbee I tried after the tweet and indeed the Bus Gate was ignored in the directions I got

@StokeyLTN They were probably there because it’s the first trade of ULEZ in Hackney I suppose.

@StokeyLTN This morning. The driver drove from the High St, stopped in the middle of the gate to ask them if she’ll get a ticket, carried on, did a U-turn by Nando’s and came through the gate again from the other side this time to speak to the officers.

FYI @metecoban92 @ClissoldLabour t.co/mgkjsL8iM7

@JamesDAustin @kayfourbee But if Google says it’s “OK” I can easily see why many drivers wouldn’t question it even if there are road signs

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@helenbarrett @KatyaTaylor Here it is goo.gl/maps/WXQAnA4W4…

@kayfourbee There are 5-6 signs on each side of the Bus Gate about 50-100 metres apart plus signs in Albion Road and the High Street. Still amazes me that some drivers make it as far as the Bus Gate. Either they don’t notice them, understand them or care. Either way, it doesn’t matter.

RT @Hayley_LDN: Hey @StokeyUpdates @welovestokey do you know of any weeknight local pub quizzes that start at 7/7.30 please? A last quiz o…

@enjoyLDNfields Maybe paying first all the LTN fines

@AkashMapara @wheelermadeit Literally!!

@wheelermadeit Great. Thanks

@wheelermadeit On my way! Any more left??

RT @hackneylibs: Halloween Storytime for Under 5s Saturday, 30 October, 11:00am Stoke Newington Library Be afraid (but not to afraid) 👻…

@carvalhoCAP Why would it be used any less than the paddling pool that’s only used during the summer? I don’t recall anyone ever complaining the paddling pool was a waste of space because it was only used in the summer. Some features of the park are seasonal, some are not.

RT @clissoldpeople: Delighted to see Know and Live re-open today. We have done a special deal with them to help raise money for the park.…

RT @stokeycrafts: @networkrail your contractors are taking the piss. It's 3am and we're woken up by chainsaws cutting back foliage on line…

This was the consultation in March 2021 to replace the 1930s paddling pool with a splash park where the Bowling Green used to be near the deer enclosure x.com/StokeyUpdates/…

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RT @hackneycouncil: 🙋🏽Volunteer Centre Hackney is looking for volunteer ‘travel buddies’ for next week to help Afghan refugee families prep…

@Steelo77 This was 2 years ago. Maybe it’ll be this year as well? x.com/hackneylibs/st…

RT @Steelo77: Does anyone know of a local way of donating winter coats? @StokeyUpdates @Stokeypeople @hackneycouncil @welovestokey

RT @KurniaLicensing: Wander restaurant forced to close temporarily over visa issues Stoke Newington restaurant Wander has been forced to cl…

RT @IanPethick: Wander on SN High Street forced to close (hopefully temporarily) due to visa issues for its Australian proprietor/chef. Sec…

@Steelo77 I did wonder if Blue Badge holders are familiar with the permit “code”, as well as other people (probably not) as it may be purely an ‘internal’ technical code for it, and referring to it in a sign may not communicate effectively and intuitively enough the message (@metecoban92)

@Steelo77 It states the permit type: HAC01. How many people know it means Blue Badge is a different question.

@Steelo77 hackneygazette.co.uk/news/stoke-new…

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@AlysonBrooker @TSlimmings And much more! Clissold Park, Abney Park (a former Victorian garden-cemetery that’s now an overgrown nature reserve with 60,000 derelict monuments!), the East and West Reservoirs, plenty of pubs of all styles, renowned restaurants and shops in Church St and High St. enjoy!

@HighburyPenguin @StokeyLTN As I pointed out before, the whole point of LTNs is to make driving less convenient so people consider alternatives for some journeys, mainly short ones, and that won’t happen overnight. In that sense, I suppose certain level of short-term congestion is seen as acceptable.

@HighburyPenguin @StokeyLTN When did you see the congestion? From what I’ve seen and heard from a number of residents it’s limited to the morning rush hour towards Green Lanes and traffic can build up all the way to QEW for a while.

@HighburyPenguin @StokeyLTN Well, maybe the data-based evidence I’d assume the council has indicates there is a speeding issue at night and even during the day beyond rush hour. Some residents may have also voiced their concern about a speeding problem. I don’t know. Do you?

@HighburyPenguin @StokeyLTN Speeding in LP I suspect is an issue throughout the hours when the street isn’t congested. Congested as far as I’ve seen here at least, as mainly an issue during rush hour in the morning towards Green Lanes. During the day it appears to be pretty unchanged as far as I’m aware.

@StokeyLTN @HighburyPenguin What’s the argument here exactly? It was expected that ‘Boundary Roads’ like LP will see an increase, especially in the short-term, till some drivers start adopting alternatives (hopefully!) for short journeys mainly. It was expected as is being monitored as part of the trial.

RT @hackneycouncil: ℹ️ This data was taken during the first week of the low traffic neighbourhood and compared to the week before. 👉 We w…

RT @hackneycouncil: 👉 We are continuing to monitor traffic levels on Lordship Park, and are introducing a road safety scheme on the road th…

RT @hackneycouncil: Number of motor vehicles: before ➡️ after the LTN was introduced 🟢 Church St (24 hours) 10,664 ➡️ 6,450
🟢 Church St (7…

RT @hackneycouncil: Data from the counters showed the following traffic changes (7am-7pm): 🟢 Church St -51.7%
🟢 Lordship Rd -61.2%
🟢 Green…

RT @hackneycouncil: NEW: early traffic monitoring from Stoke Newington low traffic neighbourhood, using four live traffic counters. 🚶‍♂️…

@carvalhoCAP @briseglace And removed again…

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@briseglace There are two. One next to the bookshop and the other one opposite the chippy. £130 fine.

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RT @AbneyParkN16: Big delivery of portacabins to Abney today as the restoration project ramps up. Exciting times. #AbneyRestoration htt…

RT @HistoryOfStokey: Today is the 81st anniversary of the Coronation Avenue Disaster. Over 160 people died when a parachute mine landed on…

@stokeywheels No. I was told by someone years ago it was privately owned though I don’t know if that’s actually true. May be.

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@carrietoast Yes! The streets in the “neighbourhoods” feel like zone 6 somewhere! Some streets feel ULTN (Ultra Low Traffic Neighbourhood).

@Limmmao I overheard someone in a queue today telling the person she was with that Church St has been pedestrianised but only between 7am-7pm.

RT @hackneygazette: Stoke Newington police chase put people at risk, court hears dlvr.it/S9N54N

@HighburyPenguin @_belliottsmith @MillarCaroline @hackneycouncil I don’t know about this particular one but we were told the signage is being reviewed and signs may be updated as required.

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@CKE1977 Yes, but the intention at that point is to alert drivers that access is only to the upcoming street and not beyond as I understand it, so in that context it makes sense meaning only local residents should continue as there’s nowhere else to go beyond the street.

RT @metecoban92: My mum attended a community event over the weekend where she was abused by a couple of anti-LTN residents. Whatever disa…

@HennyBeaumont I suppose it’s balancing traffic flow with road safety. You’d hope that as the trial goes on and feedback and monitoring data will be collected, changes will be considered and maybe implemented in roads including Lordship Park.

@HennyBeaumont Well, drivers are being asked to change their behaviour and preferences for the greater good to make this scheme work, so I guess it’s only fair cyclists do the same to an extent. If Lordship Park will be somewhat busier during rush hour mainly, I cannot see what can be done.

@HennyBeaumont If some traffic is displaced to other roads to make roads such as Church St quieter and safer for cyclists I’d ask why not use those quieter roads instead of Lordship Park in this instance.

@otis_bedding @CalumR91 @ninalovelace Cars also drive through the closure by driving over the bendy bollard at Bennett Rd/Wordsworth Rd next to the playarea.

@otis_bedding @metecoban92 @sfajanathomas @gilbertsmyth @mayorofhackney I agree and quiet streets can easily become eerily quiet where crime can become and issue, but I haven’t heard myself of any particular crime that could be linked to the latest road closure specifically, and the car smashing at 3am seems irrelevant in this context. To me at least

@otis_bedding @metecoban92 @sfajanathomas @gilbertsmyth @mayorofhackney I personally treated those slides as a brief “taster” and expect the detailed monitoring figures to be communicated on a regular basis for all the counters.

@otis_bedding @metecoban92 @sfajanathomas @gilbertsmyth @mayorofhackney How is a vandalism incident that occurred at 3 in the morning be linked to LTNs? It’s shocking but could have happened just as well a month ago in the middle of the night . I fail to see the relevance personally. It’s not as it happened at 3 in the afternoon in quiet LTN street.

@otis_bedding @metecoban92 @sfajanathomas @gilbertsmyth Mete mentioned in a previous meeting that 29(!) groups applied for an exemption, and beyond the environmental angle, there’s also road safety through reducing the number of vehicles on the road overall, EV or not, so I expect this will be a tough one!!

@_belliottsmith @MillarCaroline :) it’s been less than a month and I think we’ll be much wiser in 6-12 months to get a sense of whether these measures are working as expected and have the positive impact that’s envisaged or not. If it’s deemed a ‘failure’ causing more harm than good I hope it’ll be removed.

@CalumR91 @ninalovelace It’s very common here too :) my point is that as I understand it, and I may be wrong, doing so to bypass a road closure isn’t legal unless it’s a loophole.

@_belliottsmith @MillarCaroline I didn’t take that comment too seriously personally, and my point was that despite some aspects that need improving, I think a whole lot has been done to make people aware of the restrictions ahead so they don’t end up being fined. Some people choose to ignore and carry on.

@CalumR91 @ninalovelace In this particular context if police was there and stopped you I doubt you could get away with it by using that argument.

@_belliottsmith @MillarCaroline Thanks. Which sat nav system is it by the way? Will be interesting to see.

@CalumR91 @ninalovelace Really? How so? If you see a road sign telling you that you cannot proceed on the road and you proceed anyway but use the pavement to bypass the enforcement camera, that’s legal???

@_belliottsmith @MillarCaroline I totally agree and confusion is unavoidable, but that the solution? Locals were made aware in the post weeks before the Bus Gate became operational, there are a LOT of signs with text telling people (is all sorts of variations) that Church St is closed/closed to through traffic

@_belliottsmith @MillarCaroline After 3.5 weeks and having kept a close eye on them in the first week, I think it’s safe to say now that all are fully updated and don’t take people through the Bus Gate when it’s operational unless you know that to be the case.

@ninalovelace Very common in my opinion based on my observation

@HighburyPenguin @_belliottsmith @MillarCaroline Yep t.co/hvFlvRGdlp

@_belliottsmith @MillarCaroline After 3.5 weeks you’d think that people that know the area and used Church St as a cut through regularly in the past would know about the Bus Gate and avoid it 7am-7pm. Everyone else I’d imagine is using a mapping app and the apps avoid the Bus Gate.

@_belliottsmith @MillarCaroline “they would test you exhaustively on signage” - Personally speaking, I felt they did :) it wasn’t an easy test. I’m fascinated and intrigued by human behaviour, which is one of the reasons I’m finding this whole LTN episode very interesting. It’s a challenging design project.

@CKE1977 Which road and which sign are you referring to please? There’s a “no vehicle allowed” at each filter and a “no through road” at the other end of the street in every LTNed street as far as I can tell. Thanks.

@_belliottsmith @MillarCaroline What would you suggest? The road signs are there, and in the case of the Bus Gate there are 4-5 signs before you even get to it, about 100 metres apart stating the road ahead is closed to through traffic 7am-7pm. What more can you do possibly do?

@_belliottsmith @MillarCaroline “An encyclopaedic knowledge of road signage” is a legal requirement in order to get behind a wheel. That’s why we all had to study in order to pass the test. It’s a matter of life and death. I accept some signs are more common than others but that cannot be an excuse surely.

A concern raised by a disabled resident in Yoakley Road was that a taxi driver refused to drop her outside her house (he presumably came from Church St and not Manor Rd so couldn’t go further) and that a delivery was dropped at the bottom of the road.

One worrying impact of the LTN that was raised in the Stoke Newington Ward public meeting last night is that mopeds cut though estates such as Yorkshire Grove Estate and Lordship South Estate to bypass the filters, often at high speed. They also go onto pavements to avoid them.

@_belliottsmith @MillarCaroline My criticism about some of the signage is that some of it is incorrect, for example failing to include that “no through traffic” in Church St is only 7am-7pm and instead of referring to “through traffic” stating incorrectly that Church St is “Closed”. That’s poor, needs fixing.

@MillarCaroline LTNs sure make you realise (and worry about) just how many bad drivers are out there that are either ignorant of road signs, choose to ignore them, drive on “mental auto pilot” or are too distracted to notice road signs. Scary.

@RobBerrisford I think it’ll take a while for people to “make the switch” and consider Active Travel options instead of short car journeys if they are able to given the circumstances. It won’t happen overnight and I imagine you start seeing evidence of such behaviour changes after months.

@RobBerrisford @metecoban92 Agree. It’s an 18 months trial so will be very intriguing to see the data over time from now on. As it has been pointed out time and time again, if the desired outcome isn’t achieved in 18 months, then the scheme can be amended or withdrawn completely.

@_belliottsmith I agree to an extent and hopefully as part of the trial changes will be made quickly as we were told to things like the signage. That topic was discussed in the public Ward meeting. The concept of a Bus Gate, especially in a B Road may be new to some, but a LOT of signs before it

@RobBerrisford No clue. I just shared the slides that were presented in the public meeting.

@RobBerrisford @metecoban92 should be able to tell you when air quality monitoring data will be published

@RobBerrisford The trial only started 3 weeks ago :) some traffic monitoring data was shared and we were told much more will be communicated on a regular basis in the weeks and months ahead.

Heard from a few people something along these lines: - “It says ‘Local Access Only’ and I live locally so I can drive through the closure, it’s ok.” 🤦 - “It says “Permit Holders” and I have a local parking permit so I can drive through the Bus Gate.” 🤦

@sfajanathomas @stokeylabour @metecoban92 @gilbertsmyth Thank you for hosting the meeting yesterday. Very informative. For future ones I think you could have covered a lot of more questions if you read them from the chat rather than let people come on and ‘ask’ a question for 5-10mim. Maybe a combination? Look forward to the next one!

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@claritahall You can see in the map in the monitoring slide, that Manor Road is being monitored so I expect the monitoring data that’ll be communicated beyond these slides to include it as well as the other ‘Boundary Roads’.

@claritahall No. Just the data in the slides I attached. I suspect Lordship Park was mentioned specifically because unlike Manor Road where parking bays were removed, that hasn’t happened in Lordship Park, and the Green Lanes junction in particular is an issue at the moment during rushhour.

@spk_n16 No special mention of the High St apart from that it’s TFL ‘Red Route’ so the council has little influence and wasn’t even made aware of the current roadworks till it was happening. Update about the gyratory in the near future we are told.

@Stokebrewington Yes. And it’s only week 3 so will be very interesting to see how the monitoring data evolves in the coming months in order to make an eductaed decision in 18 months about the future of the scheme and whether to amend, keep or withdraw it.

@AkashMapara @tompollak To be fair, it doesn’t say 2021.

@JSA_Ltd @RosedaleAction @realnickperry Thanks for the detailed replies.

@JSA_Ltd @RosedaleAction @realnickperry Are you able to share the time table please? Seeing as now the site has been left in very poor state for nearly 20 years, I’m sure many people would love to know when the current eyesore will be a thing of the past. Thanks.

@JSA_Ltd @RosedaleAction @realnickperry I think the concern that people have raised is the extent to which the conditions have changed since the approval given Lordship Park has now become an LTN “Boundary Road” that takes on some of the displaced traffic that used Church St, especially during the morning rush hour.

@JSA_Ltd @RosedaleAction @realnickperry Thank you.

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@hackneycouncil @Roger89835988 Thanks. The only parking suspension notices I saw in the streets listed prior to the introduction of the measures on Sep 20th were all to do with the parking bays that became double-yellow, which is why I’m unclear (still) which parking bays were reinstated as announced. Thanks.

@guidoacasa @michaelblackcab I think the point is that the when the one-way system was introduced in 1970 the same argument about longer journey time was probably and rightly made by some. It became a fact and people got used to it and its impact, like they’ll get used to the latest measures. Roads change.

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@mcluskizor What do you think the council does with revenue raised from driving offences? I doubt it’s used to pay for the Christmas party.

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@Stokebrewington @KarlTroyLondon Neighbourhood boundaries are very subjective and fluid and I doubt anyone apart myself and 1-2 other local history geeks know/care about the old Borough boundaries :) x.com/emmetatquiddit…

@Stokebrewington @KarlTroyLondon What do you mean? In this map only the areas west of the A10 are highlighted as an LTN.

@KarlTroyLondon Yes. That’s my question essentially whether the gated closures you see in older LTNs will eventually replace planters and cameras, that is assuming I guess that emergency services won’t object. Given gated closures exist elsewhere as I pointed out, it may not be an issue.

@KarlTroyLondon Thanks. So is it correct to expect some planters and cameras will be replaced with a physical gate if it’s decided to make a filter/closure permanent?

@KarlTroyLondon Thanks for the replies. So with that in mind, and I’m pretty certain De Beauvoir has gated closures rather than planters, it may be that recent LTN scheme use more “temporary” obstructions that’ll be cheaper to place and withdrawn if necessary, than a physical gate.

@RachelAldred Hi. Any chance you could clarify when/why a street is closed with a gate rather than a bollard/planter? Do official LTN streets always have planters and bollards, and if so, is that because they are considered ‘temporary’ initially or is there another reason? Thanks x.com/StokeyUpdates/…

@KarlTroyLondon Ok. Got it. Thanks. It does make me think as well that streets that are closed with a gate like Princess Crescent isn’t an official LTN perhaps which is why the traffic restriction may also be approached differently.

@KarlTroyLondon Sorry, I don’t understand. Are you saying it’s down to cost? Surely placing a planter is cheaper than installing a physical gate. I read in an official doc that emergency services for example objected to having a bollard at the latest LTN filters in Stoke Newington.

@BenedettaMusil3 Is that specifically near Heathland Road?

@mariamartak @enjoyLDNfields @hackneywick Hopefully the monitoring figures from Stoke Newington in Sep 2022 will be as encouraging

RT @enjoyLDNfields: @StokeyUpdates @mariamartak @hackneywick It's normalised data in order to compare like-for-like. https://t.co/3Rpblo9znO

RT @enjoyLDNfields: @mariamartak @StokeyUpdates @hackneywick Traffic count data has been normalised to account for COVID-19 effect on motor…

RT @enjoyLDNfields: Good news from Islington. Monitoring data shows:
• Cycling rose 48%
• Traffic in LTN fell 66%
• Traffic on boundary roa…

@enjoyLDNfields @mariamartak @hackneywick Thank you. That’s what I was after.

@mariamartak @enjoyLDNfields @hackneywick What’s interesting is that I think traffic levels across the country were lower in June 2020 compared to July 2021, so for the traffic level in the boundary roads to be 15% BELOW the June 2020 levels (if I read it correctly) is rather intriguing.

@mariamartak @enjoyLDNfields @hackneywick “Comparing data from July 2020 – two months before the start of the trial – with figures from June 2021” I’d think traffic levels were unusually low in July 2020 during the first wave so curious how that was factored in when comparing with data from June 2021. Any idea?

@RosedaleAction @realnickperry I may be mistaken but if I remember correctly, @JSA_Ltd designed the school and flats so may be able to comment on the considerations for drop-offs etc.

@RosedaleAction @realnickperry If flats aren’t going to be built next to it as originally planned, the carpark may provide a solution. Also, I’d hope that drop-offs were considered as part of the planning application years ago. @realnickperry may be able to provide more details.

@RosedaleAction @realnickperry Yes. I agree. Perhaps they may be told to drop off in Lordship Road which is much quieter now with the filter further up by Lordship Terrace.

@RosedaleAction @realnickperry 360 pupils according to this hackneycitizen.co.uk/2019/09/06/new… I suspect they’ll be dropped off from vans in groups as is often the case with these schools, some will walk there, but I agree it’ll add to rush hour pressure at that spot.

I was informed the reinstated parking bays are parking suspensions that applied to existing parking bays, and not the ones that were replaced with double-yellow. The double-yellow ones will be reviewed in the future and some of the parking bays may be reinstated. x.com/StokeyUpdates/…

@enjoyLDNfields Thanks!

@Roger89835988 @hackneycouncil Not all. There was a parking bay in Oldfield Rd opposite Ayrsome Rd that could fit 4-5 cars, which is now double-yellow. While it’s an “Exit Route” it has been dead quiet as always as far as I can tell, and unclear how that lost parking bay is meant to benefit that “Exit Route”

@hackneycouncil If by “we reinstated some parking bays on exit routes” you mean removing some of the new double-yellows where there were parking bays till three weeks that actually hasn’t happened. All the recent double-yellows that replaced parking bays in the roads mentioned are still there.

“We expect to be able to share a snapshot of traffic monitoring of the effect on traffic following the scheme’s introduction from four live traffic counters next week.” x.com/hackneycouncil…

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@andrewellson @StokeyLTN @HighburyPenguin Air quality is measured by NO2 (Nitrogen dioxide). I’d like to think that people that do this for a living know what needs to be measured to reach an educated conclusion.

@andrewellson @StokeyLTN @HighburyPenguin How do you know what needs to be measured in the context of the trial of this nature to make an assessment?

@andrewellson @carvalhoCAP @StokeyLTN @HighburyPenguin How do you think that fact impacts the research’s conclusions? Are you suggesting bias that skews the conclusions in some way to support an agenda?

@andrewellson @StokeyLTN @HighburyPenguin “Post-implementation counts will be done to compare the traffic level changes. Air quality monitoring is carried out at several locations in the area which will provide a good overview of the air quality changes including in Stoke Newington Church St, Manor Rd and Green Lanes”

@andrewellson @carvalhoCAP @StokeyLTN @HighburyPenguin How does your analysis fit this study which examined 400 filters created in London and concluded that LTNs do not disproportionately benefit more privileged communities? Are you disputing it? Genuine question. theguardian.com/world/ng-inter…

@claudco Thanks!

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@thenewlove @andrewellson @StokeyLTN @HighburyPenguin I tend to agree as I haven’t seen other proposals that aim to achieve the same goals. The issue I find often with some people that object to the measures is they don’t accept there’s a problem that need solving in the first place, which makes a constructive discussion difficult.

@thenewlove @andrewellson @StokeyLTN @HighburyPenguin Out of interest, any arguments/concerns raised by people who object to the measures or are sceptical they’ll achieve the outcomes without significant “collateral damage” you can empathise with and understand?

@thenewlove @andrewellson @StokeyLTN @HighburyPenguin I get the point about 50 years :) my question was whether you think there are any attributes specific to London that might make the adoption of the policies you describe, more difficult to implement compared to the cities you listed. Maybe there aren’t any. Just curious.

@HighburyPenguin @StokeyLTN @andrewellson Of course :) as you should and as we are doing. My point was that the expected positive change from the scheme isn’t going to happen after 3 weeks or even 3 months. It’s a long process to change attitude and behaviour.

@thenewlove @andrewellson @StokeyLTN @HighburyPenguin Thanks. I was referring by road and street layout to width, shape etc., mainly of residential streets and whether those are comparable for example with the cities you mentioned.

@thenewlove @andrewellson @StokeyLTN @HighburyPenguin What do you mean by “started 50 years before” in the context of road layout please? My question is whether there’s anything inherent in London and perhaps even the UK that makes the adoption of LTNs more difficult and challenging compared to other cities in Europe. Thanks.

@thenewlove @andrewellson @StokeyLTN @HighburyPenguin What about other characteristics though apart from dependency on cars? Street and road layouts for example and other aspects that may make the transition from high dependency on cars to active travel more challenging? Culture even perhaps?

@thenewlove @andrewellson @StokeyLTN @HighburyPenguin The question I see often when Amsterdam is mentioned in the context of LTN is just how comparable is it with London and whether it’s a valid and relevant case study, given any significant differences. What’s your answer to that please?

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@carvalhoCAP @StokeyLTN @andrewellson @HighburyPenguin The false narrative that LTNs create “gated communities for the rich” is detached from reality. The association of the recent LTN with “trendy” and “fashionable” Church St gives a false impression to those that don’t actually know Stoke Newington and how diverse its streets are.

@carvalhoCAP @StokeyLTN @andrewellson @HighburyPenguin Point being that the recent road closures are within those two wards.

@carvalhoCAP @StokeyLTN @andrewellson @HighburyPenguin According to recent study, ‘Low-traffic schemes benefit most-deprived Londoners’ so as far as social equity, it ticks that box at least. The Clissold ward is within the 40% most deprived wards in London. The Stoke Newington ward is within the 30% most deprived wards in London.

@andrewellson @StokeyLTN @HighburyPenguin Has there ever been a policy in history that sought to bring about BIG, long-term change in society that wasn’t divisive? You’ll get strong opposition to any policy as you never be able to make all stakeholders happy and any change triggers objection and rejection by some.

@andrewellson @StokeyLTN @HighburyPenguin By the way, is your conclusion that LTNs are “environmentally damaging” based solely on your observations of congestion cycling in Green Lanes and the traffic levels in Cazenove Rd you mentioned as well as other streets? Is there any scientific research to support such claim?

@andrewellson @StokeyLTN @HighburyPenguin If the question ultimately is “How can we reduce the number of vehicles on the roads in order to reduce pollution and increase road safety?” I guess you can take other measures, though I’m not sure they’ll be less divisive. Restrict access to fuel? :) make parking more expensive?

@andrewellson @StokeyLTN @HighburyPenguin Out of interest, what “less divisive and environmentally damaging measures” would you propose? That is, if you agree first there a problem that needs addressing in the first place. Some people seem to be ok with the way things are and don’t see the need for any measure whatsoever

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@HackneyOneTouch This agilestreets.com

@jonjamesmiller @devske5 @metecoban92 @London_Cycling It’s only week 3 and there’s room for improvement, such as signage as well as other bits. That’s the whole point of a trial and I’d hope the council appreciates constructive feedback that can help improve the chances of the scheme to succeed and achieve its goals.

@HighburyPenguin @StokeyLTN @andrewellson I can only hope Hackney will be better at handing this than Islington.

@HighburyPenguin @StokeyLTN @andrewellson To be fair, it is ONLY week 3 of 72 weeks of the ETO (Experimental Traffic Order) and I pointed out yesterday, I’m hopeful all these issues and concerns are being captured and monitored so they can be addressed. I hope the current problems don’t become the norm long-term.

@HighburyPenguin @StokeyLTN @andrewellson In the case of bus lanes yes, I suppose you could argue that having a bus lane suggests that it won’t be impacted heavily by road closures.

@HighburyPenguin @StokeyLTN @andrewellson I was wondering to what extent results and insights from one location, or even several locations, can be applied to a new one. There are common attributes that could be generalised but also some unique ones when it comes to a specific road and junction.

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@RobBerrisford Thanks. It’s this agilestreets.com

Big Netflix production being filmed in the Londesborough pub in Barbauld Road today

@HighburyPenguin @andrewellson @StokeyLTN You’d think/hope TfL are monitoring this closely and feed back

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@andrewellson @HighburyPenguin @StokeyLTN I think that is the interesting question about this: what is “acceptable” congestion that’s is considered necessary to drive the desirable behaviour change where certain car journeys are replaced with walking, cycling and public transport.

@HighburyPenguin @angejameson @andrewellson @StokeyLTN Hopefully. It has only been 3 weeks.

@HighburyPenguin @angejameson @andrewellson @StokeyLTN From this useful document about the scheme s3-eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/commonplace-cu…

@HighburyPenguin @angejameson @andrewellson @StokeyLTN Maybe not 18: “ETOs (Experimental Traffic Order) allow the Council to introduce changes to the scheme relatively quickly as required in response to the experiment and feedback. The ETO approach allows the Council to monitor the changes and collect feedback at the same time.”

@HighburyPenguin @angejameson @andrewellson @StokeyLTN The issue is whether that is considered by the people behind the scheme as relatively short-mid term negative impact that’s justified if the long-term goal of reducing car usage is achieved and pollution and noise levels will ultimately be reduced.

@HighburyPenguin @andrewellson @StokeyLTN As this an 18-months experiment under an Experimental Traffic Order (ETO) that is highly monitored according to the council, we can only hope the traffic experts will observe and reach certain conclusions that could resolve the current issues.

@andrewellson @angejameson @StokeyLTN 50% London car trips under 2miles or less seems is a lot if true. How many of those can be deemed necessary? And even, that’s a subjective. x.com/StokeyLTN/stat…

@HighburyPenguin @andrewellson @StokeyLTN The question is whether cycle lanes along main/‘boundary’ roads will be removed gradually if quieter LTN streets provide an alternative route.

@HighburyPenguin @andrewellson @StokeyLTN Thanks. That clarifies things.

@realnickperry @StokeySye Can ask them :) @ConnectedKerb

@StokeySye I think buggies and wheelchairs can fit OK (not ideal) but I did wonder why they weren’t installed closer to the kerb. May be a technical reason perhaps (@realnickperry)

@realnickperry Nick, I’m surprised you didn’t mention this! t.co/v4WOmK4U1A

@StokeyLTN @andrewellson @angejameson Birmingham, the second largest city in the UK, is going LTN now so despite the challenges of weaning people off cars, it may be the way to go and may be the norm in 10 years. It won’t be easy at all, but may be necessary. theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/o…

@andrewellson @angejameson @StokeyLTN The point I guess is whether all the issues you list are seen as short-mid term impact that acceptable in order to achieve the long-term goal of having fewer vehicles on the road in the future.

@andrewellson @angejameson @StokeyLTN Yep. There are studies from the last decades that ‘prove’ it does work in the long-term, though some objectors dispute those studies and sometimes present data to supposedly discredit or challenge the claims made by advocates of this approach to car usage reduction.

@angejameson @andrewellson @StokeyLTN I’d go even further and claim that the intended goal of LTNs is in fact to make driving traumatising so people consider alternatives, and by doing so there’ll be a decrease in pollution and increased road safety. That’s the rationale behind the approach as I understand it.

@angejameson @andrewellson @StokeyLTN I suppose traffic engineers behind LTN schemes will argue that the scheme is then “working” because it’s designed to discourage driving and make it impractical so people consider other options, especially for short journeys. That’s how traffic then “evaporates” over time.

@andrewellson Let’s hope so. I know advocates of LTN refer to the well-researched “traffic evaporation” phenomenon, while some objectors claim it’s a myth and in some cases have their own studies to back their argument. I haven’t seen traffic evaporating yet myself :)

@andrewellson Why would it be any more cruel than if the congested was outside a row of privately owned “posh” houses? Is the health of those residents matter any less? Genuine question.

@andrewellson Indeed. Based on decades of research as I understand it, “Traffic evaporation” takes time as it’s driven by behaviour change that doesn’t happen overnight. As car journeys become longer, some people adopt other options in some cases and there’s certain reduction. So I’m told!

@andrewellson There’s a lot of social housing in the quiet LTN streets just as there are also expensive privately owned Victorian houses in the “boundary roads” like Lordship Park and Manor Rd so I’m not sure what are you trying to point out in this case. No one should be exposed to pollution.

@andrewellson @StokeyLTN I don’t think it’s possible to comment and speculate if this is somehow linked to LTN road closures necessarily. It may have some impact, a lot, or not at all. I personally cannot say. Traffic congestion can be caused by different things obviously.

@andrewellson @StokeyLTN What time was that please? Was it right after 7pm when the Bus Gate “opened” and there might be a flood of cars from the east side queueing to get to Green Lanes? Otherwise I’m trying to think what would cause this. Can’t think of anything else LTN-related. Can you?

“Some parking bays have been reinstated on exit routes” Hmmmm.. no they have not been reinstated. Had a look out of interest. Is this scheduled to happened? If so, the announcement below is incorrect. Anyone has further details? x.com/hackneycouncil…

@Tom_Hingley Thanks!

@ZENCityfringe @BerylBikes Hi. Are you able to share usage stats from the last two weeks please? Thanks.

@jwwatson @SophieCam @mum_on_bike @StokeyLTN @hackneycouncil @metecoban92 Thanks.

@jwwatson @SophieCam @mum_on_bike @StokeyLTN @hackneycouncil @metecoban92 Thanks. Any measures planned to improve the current situation?

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@jwwatson @SophieCam @mum_on_bike @StokeyLTN @hackneycouncil Thanks. Does the traffic reach the junction with Boleyn Rd please? “This is not what traffic should be like at 1pm on a Wednesday” The interesting question is whether this level was projected and considered acceptable for this road by the traffic engineers. Any idea?

@SophieCam @mum_on_bike @StokeyLTN Yes though the comments in the first week focused on Lordship Park during rush hour and specifically the Green Lanes junction, which can become a bottleneck especially when cars are waiting to turn right.

@SophieCam @mum_on_bike @StokeyLTN Every comment about the positive impact and quieter streets will likely and rightly be met with a comment about the potential negative impact on the ‘boundary roads’. Reports from people from those roads have gone quiet recently, likely because of the fuel crisis.

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@RobBerrisford Cheers

@RobBerrisford Any idea if this is actually a charging point though?

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@simonbooker That’s what I’m thinking but that isn’t meant to happen till next month as I understand as Phase 2 of the new LTN scheme (@ClissoldLabour)

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“Some parking spaces have now been reinstated in Lordship Rd, Defoe Rd, Oldfield Rd, Kynaston Rd and Kersley Rd.” Has that happened? All the double-yellow lines painted recently over the parking bays are all still there as far as I can tell (@metecoban92). x.com/hackneycouncil…

@Limmmao Imagine if Twitter and Facebook were around when the smoking ban was first proposed in 2004.

@CKE1977 Some businesses will need to adapt to survive and remain viable. It requires creativity and resourcefulness and has been the case throughout history.

@CKE1977 Thank you. I doubt there’s ever been a policy that didn’t have some negative impact but the democratically elected officials who make the policy hopefully look at the long-term bigger picture, and make tough decisions for the greater good. Some won’t be happy as a result.

@CKE1977 Any businesses in particular out of interest? The ones I saw mentioned so far are Defoe Tyers and Premier Cars. There are around 115 businesses in Church Street.

@CKE1977 It’s only week 3 of an 18-month experiment executed as an ETO (Experimental Traffic Order) and there are things to learn and improve in the coming weeks and months. I have a list of issues! :) signage is on the top of my list.

@CKE1977 A scheme that’s designed with the clear and stated intention of deterring and discouraging car usage is going to ruffle a few feathers. That’s understandable, expected and unavoidable. Pretty sure some people still think the smoking ban was ‘unfair’ and ‘undemocratic’.

@CKE1977 Why? What’s the issue?

@CKE1977 Thanks. Interestingly, looking at some of the prominent anti-LTN Twitter accounts, the average number of followers is about 700. Clearly Twitter isn’t a reflection of society and I don’t read anything into that, but nonetheless on Twitter at least the “movement” seems minuscule

@CKE1977 Possibly. How many would that be out of interest? 10? 20? 50 people?

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@Roger89835988 Also worth keeping in mind the ‘echo chamber’ effect as some online forums may be more bias towards one side of the argument, especially if there’s a very vocal and persistent group of people behind the majority of the comments as I observed in various places.

@Roger89835988 Neither on Stokey Folks in Facebook though as someone commented once, unhappy people are noisier than happy ones :) I cannot say if it’s a noisy minority necessarily but worth keeping in mind that considerable ‘noise’ can be generated by a relatively small number of people.

@StokeySye But I’d think that a person’s sentiment at the moment towards the scheme when answering a poll today won’t be affected by that as in, those are in favour or against the concept and how it’s been implemented, aren’t likely to change their opinion. Not after a few weeks at least.

@StokeySye How so?

I don’t consider my 5,069 followers to be a representative sample, and only 193 replied so far, but the result at the moment is identical with a similar poll I ran a few weeks ago which also showed a considerable majority in favour of the latest LTN measures. 6 hours to go! x.com/StokeyUpdates/…

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@metecoban92 Good morning. Quite baffled by this. I can see some drivers ignoring the road signs now, even though they shouldn’t irrespective of whether there’s a camera to catch them do it or not. What’s the point of the signs please? Thanks. x.com/StokeyUpdates/…

@antonydb @clissoldpeople I was never convinced people would leave buggies there, for various reasons main one being that leaving a buggy there to go into Clissold House isn’t practical. Too far, out of sight once you’re in, people leave things in a buggy and need them nearby.

@rlc_wiltshire @clissoldpeople No :-/

@_belliottsmith @HighburyPenguin At least they get off! All the ones I’ve seen ride on the pavement. I was wondering if that’s actually not spotted by the camera.

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Only two weeks in, but how do you feel about the latest LTN filters and Church Street Bus Gate? (As an Experimental Traffic Order (ETO), it’ll be evaluated after 18 months and may be withdrawn, amended or made permanent. The first 6 months are used for consultation)

@HighburyPenguin Some are cutting through Lordship South Estate to bypass the filter in Lordship Road

@derekwalmsley @elondems @OneIslington To me it seemed like an anti-LTN meet-up given the organisers’ clear and vocal agenda. I haven’t seen anything about it since the evening so curious how many people showed up and how the discussion went. Perhaps it was more balanced than and ‘open’ than I thought it would be.

@derekwalmsley @elondems @OneIslington Organised by “London Democrats”; an Islington-based anti-LTN political group. Perhaps it was a fundraiser ;) cannot imagine why the councillor behind the latest Stoke Newington LTN scheme would keep away.

@clissoldpeople I’m fully aware of the history :) my point was that it it’s not being used as intended should the space be used fo something else so it’s not just an empty space.

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@hutchosuperkin1 I don’t expect it to be announced or confirmed officially either way.

@hutchosuperkin1 Road signs are up, cameras are up. Is anyone expecting an announcement with balloons and bunting that the Bus Gate is being enforced? I don’t get it.

@StokeyLTN How much fuel do they have? ;)

@roozie52 For what it’s worth, a council officer told me on site last week they were being activated and will be fully operational once installed. Only one way to find out ;)

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@cvfdavies @jrothwell @TowerHamletsNow @MayorJohnBiggs @TfL Managed to do what exactly in Stoke Newington High St? The removal of the gyratory that was planned pre-COVID was delayed as the work as far as I’m aware is for TfL. All other traffic planning measures (LTNs) are Experimental Traffic Orders the council is executing elsewhere.

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@derekwalmsley @PauloCampbell @RealOneChiswick It was yesterday and organised by the Islington-based anti-LTN political group “London Democrats”